Thursday, July 22, 2010

He's Not Your Pastor [Pastors and Practice]

8 comments:

revdavidhorsburgh said...

Thanks Ben-

So, all Elders/Pastors (synonymous use of the two words) biblically should have personal relationships with each and every member in their local congregations? Example: Let's take a church like Capitol Hill Baptist Church in DC, you're saying Mark Dever should have a personal relationship with each and every memeber in his congregation? Just asking for discussion sake, if not how would say this unbiblical in your opinion? And is it a sinful practice?

Ben Arbour said...

Great questions, David.

My take on this is both simple, and complex. I think a church led by multiple elders should have a rotating pulpit, which would go a long way towards undermining the cult of personality that often surrounds churches. Secondly, if a church has multiple elders, then no one person should ever be identified as "the" pastor (as I discussed in the last post). Last, I don't think that every elder needs to be super involved in every member's life. So, in my opinion, it's okay if Mark Dever doesn't have a personal relationship with every member of the church. But this is precisely why those members who don't have a relationship with him shouldn't identify him as "their" pastor. Instead, they should identify the elder that is actually shepherding them. Of course, this raises a number of questions, which I'll be seeking to answer in the forthcoming posts.

PJ King said...

Jaimie, to clarify your question: Are you asking about the unique titles given to different staff pastors at churches, and the creation of "domains" associated with that? (domains such as preaching, youth, college, children, adult education, small groups, worship, etc).

Jaimie Krycho said...

Good question. Haha. I didn't think about children and youth pastors. Those seem pretty straightforward to me. When it comes to other more ambiguous titles (family pastor is the first one that comes to mind, though I can see how that designation is made), though, I've never understood why there is an executive, teaching, adult education, etc. I guess it confuses me because our teaching pastor Bruce shares the pulpit with our executive pastor Mark pretty often. Also, Mark headed up the Connections Sunday school class when Chris and I first attended. I might be making this more complicated than it actually is!

revdavidhorsburgh said...

I have actually been thinking about this for awhile, this subject of names associated with offices. Biblically, we see name designations in the bible to identify a person’s role within the context of the nation of Israel (Mediator, Priest, King and Prophet). When the nation was functioning rightly, which never happened, it was God’s will that He would be their God (King). Later when Israel was redeemed from slavery, Moses was the God ordained mediator between the people and God.

Likewise, in the NT we see the role of Elder/Overseer and Deacon. These offices have specific requirements, roles and responsibilities. Not everyone in the church can be an Elder and or a Deacon. Not all are called specifically to those roles, but when a man has been appointed via the Church he has a responsibility before God to do his best. Nothing less is acceptable. It is amazing to me that God would even use man to do His bidding through the Gospel. We should never lose sight of this astonishing act of love! God has given Himself for His people. It should be a good reminder that we never forget there will be a stricter judgment for those in these offices God has appointed them. Double honor is given and double accountability will be required of these men before God.

So, I think we all would agree that there are biblical roles and with those roles came a level of requirements, roles and responsibility.

Ben, I understand your care and concern toward the Church and it is a work of God’s Spirit. I believe you are seeking to pin point a weakness in the Church generally speaking. Namely, how it seems many churches are establishing extra-biblical duties to an office that the bible clearly states otherwise. Elders are delegating their responsibilities to others. Or even taking the office of Elder and making it extremely narrow by giving it subtitles like: Preaching Elder, Elder of Administration, etc. I think it is a hybrid of the office by comingling a business model role with the Scriptures. It reminds me of counseling debate over the last 10 years were the some in the Church want to use the bible but also secular teachings. Ultimately, it’s about the sufficiency of the Scriptures. We either trust God or we simply think God’s ways are good but we need to help Him out.

Finally, in light of all I’ve stated, sorry it’s lengthy, what you are pointing out is an unhealthy situation in many churches not all. Its implications are devastating to the faith of the flock and its offices.

I will give the following conundrum in conclusion: “Hey pastor, could I talk to you about my marriage?” Pastor responds, “Well Joe, that’s not my job I just handle preaching. Call Mark down in counseling and see if he can fit you into his schedule.”

Ben Arbour said...

Jamie,

Good question. On the whole, I do not think it is a good idea to differentiate areas of service in titles of pastors/elders. For instance, I was at one church that had five elders, but only one pastor (he was the only elder who worked full-time with a paycheck from the church). First, this schema does not account for the fact that elder and overseer are the same office in the NT (cf. Ben Merkle's excellent monograph defending this point, published with Peter Lang). Second, it creates in people's minds the idea that one elder is somehow more important than another, or more their pastor than one of the other elders, which undermines the whole idea of a plurality of elders leading a congregation. This is especially true of titles such as "senior pastor" or "lead pastor" of which there is absolutely no biblical precedent except in being attributed to Jesus Christ (cf. 1 Pet 5:4).

If there is to be specialization among the elders, that could be handled internally among the council of elders without publicizing it such that people look to the group of elders (corporately) and to individual elders as equal pastors. Given the American Christian culture's obsession with dynamic preaching often resulting in cults of personality (in seeker-sensitive, traditional, reformed, and emergent communities) and especially among Evangelicals, it does not seem wise to me for us to label one pastor/elder as the pastor of preaching. Invariably, that means that in the hearts and minds of the majority of Christians attending that church, he will be elevated to the status of "pastor" in the ways I've outlined in the blog post. Obviously, I find that problematic. Also, I haven't found the designation "pastor of preaching and vision" in the NT. And since all elders, if they are qualified according to 1 Tim 3, are apt to teach, why celebrate one persons giftings over another? It seems that the structures we've put in place enable the very problems we often lament. So, rotating the pulpit is good for the congregation, and biblical. Sticking with the Bible, as much as possible, always seems wise to me. :)

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