—PJ King
The way we do youth ministry is failing. I am writing this series, Youth Ministry: Preparing for Failure?, because after high school, half of our youth will drop out of the church for good. While there are a lot of positives in current youth ministries, I’m harping on the negatives because something is broken. What are we doing wrong? What can we do better?
Now, take off your easily-offended glasses, put on your discerning ones—and let’s get started.
Last time, I listed a host of problems with the ways many of our churches do youth ministry. Having identified what I believe to be the root issues, I will now attempt to deal with two of them head-on.
Youth are separated from the rest of the church body
We have talked before about the lack of age-integration in many churches. This problem applies especially to youth ministries. Of all the groups we age-segregate, young adults are the most isolated from everyone else in our churches today. Do you remember when I wrote the complaints most youth have about adults and of the qualms adults (typically older adults) have with the youth? The reason for the complaints is not the age difference; it’s the lack of understanding between the generations!
Young people don’t understand old people because most youth rarely speak with any elderly person. Old people don’t seem to tolerate youth because they neither have the energy that they once had, nor are they accustomed to being around people who do. These groups don’t respect each other because they don’t know each other!
There are hosts of ways that each age group can learn from the others. The older a believing individual is, theoretically, the more wisdom he or she should have to offer to younger believers. The youth can have vitality for Christ that can inspire the older ones. Youth can also be in positions of teaching younger children, assisting in their discipleship.
There is much room for service between all the generations. Youth are in a great position to babysit for the single moms or the couples who need to go on a date. They can clean houses and mow lawns for those in your church who need assistance. Adults can participate in youth oriented activities, not just as chaperones, but side-by-side with the youth. And that is just skimming the surface.
By the time I was in high school, I had no living grandparents. To this day, I struggle with relating to the elderly because I wasn’t blessed with such relationships. The elderly in the church can do a great service to some youth by taking on the role of grandfather and grandmother. Additionally, there are some youth who are involved in the church who don’t have Christian parents at all. Adults (of all ages) can do a huge service to them by “adopting” them—sitting with them at church, taking them to meals, and assisting in their discipleship.
So much is missing when the youth are extracted from the rest of the church body. Both the youth and the church would greatly benefit from less segregation.
The youth are too busy with youth-only events
One of the reasons I think there is a pressure to have so many youth events is because the youth are trying to function as their own church. Many functions are of the church are being duplicated in youth-only forms. Growing up, I had four or five major youth-only events in a given week, taking up over eight hours—and that doesn’t include the semi-frequent events such as post-football game parties, movie nights, and the like.
Thankfully, much of the busyness problem can be remedied through age-integration. The age-segregated Sunday School time really has no need to be age-segregated at all. Youth are fully equipped, intellectually, to learn and benefit from an Adult Christian Education model, as advocated in Stop Acting like your Church is STUPID. Placing students into classes with adults will allow them to develop important relationships, find role models, learn a great deal, and see a glimpse of the Christian life as experienced by adults.
Moreover, there is no need to have weekly outreach events for youth. Having fun outreach events monthly would probably be at least as effective as weekly events. For many youth groups, this would allow for a re-thinking of how Wednesday nights are used. (We’ll talk about discipleship and outreach more in the future).
As for discipleship—yes, there are definitely issues and struggles that are particular to youth. However, it seems odd to me to think that there would be no overlap between discipleship and accountability for adults and youth. Consider this: if your church already has small groups, or discipleship processes for adults, why can’t you integrate the youth? The youth wouldn’t have to be with the adults every week—perhaps every other. On the off weeks, someone could walk the youth through specific struggles they may be facing—even in the same manner that your church already does.
However you address this issue, I think it is unwise to treat youth as if they are completely different from adults when it comes to the Christian life. As Ephesians 4:4-6 says:
There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
We have one Lord and one Salvation. We are all called to obey the same commands. Surely this can be worked out in a more integrated fashion than is currently being modeled in most churches.
Overall, for this issue, ask yourself the question: Is this something that all Christians need, or youth in particular? If it’s not really youth specific, then don’t make it youth specific!
Coming soon: contrasting discipleship from outreach and the effects of experience based youth ministry.
What do you think about the problems addressed and solutions offered? Does your church do particularly well in any of these areas? Leave a note below!
8 comments:
Interesting stuff and I like the train of thought despite the many rabbit trails we could chase through it - Here are a couple:
1. I am weary of making the case that we are doing something wrong simply because "half of the students will drop off after leaving highschool." This assumption is saying that we have "lost" them as if we had them in the first place. Maybe we didn't have them at all and they were there because their parents took them there? Maybe they were there because they had always been there and didn't have an alternative? Maybe they were there because they lived at home? Maybe they were...and on and on we go.
***On a random side-note and to show where this logic is linked, having worked in college ministry for a number of years in the south - it is astounding how many college kids don't really understand what the "gospel" is about. Every year I will present a "gospel series" and I always get the same thing - "I never knew that..." So maybe the segregation is not the issue, maybe the lack of training/education/meat is the issue...or at least one of the issues.
I will also say that is why I don't put a lot of weight in the statement, "The American Church is shrinking." Are the "congregation" numbers going down - looks that way. But I would I question if those who are leaving the church were ever really part of the church? Or where they there because that's where they were supposed to be whereas now it's accepted to not be there so they aren't.
2. I agree with the argument that the church often duplicates its efforts among all its classes. I don't understand this but I know why youth have more - because especially during summer they have more time. Is this a good reason for more events? Not necessarily. Is it a reason for more events - probably.
3.I am not sure I agree with this statement, "However you address this issue, I think it is unwise to treat youth as if they are completely different from adults when it comes to the Christian life. Ephesians verse quoted here" I think the bible speaks numerous times to different levels of spiritual maturity. (Hebrews 5:12, 1 Cor 3:12, 1 Peter 2:2, etc) I think there are pros and cons to segregation but to say that we should all be fed the same at all ages and times I don't think is necessarily a valid argument based on Paul's letters to the churches.
4. I would say that as far as history goes, it's not necessarily the church saying - "hey, come to our great youth ministry." But moreso the parents saying, "I don't know what to do with my kid, can you make him a Christian." And now we have youth programs, Awana programs, all kinds of programs where parents are handing their kids over so that other people can train them up in the gospel - this is unlike 1 Timothy. Unfortunately this is not just a necessarily a church issue - it is a societal issue. A great book I read recently on the downfall of the american family that is worth checking out is, "Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam"
Anyways - just some thoughts. Again - I support the argument as I am an adopter of always asking, "What is it that we can be doing better." However, I think the answer is not as simple as don't do this and do this.
Jeremy
Love the thoughts. I am right there with you man. Let me go through your points so you know what I'm thinking, but it sounds like we are concerned by the same things here.
1. I know the survey used self-identification to track the numbers. For the survey, someone was in youth group if they said they were in youth group. Obviously, not everyone who thought they were "a part" of the youth ministry were actually considered, by the leaders, to be a part. However, I don't know if the idea is that far off. When I was in youth group, our "size" was based on how many people came to the main outreach-ish type events, Wednesday nights and camp. So, the ministries who are counting success wrongly (by numbers only) are going to be counting anyone who attends, ever. Obviously, this is a much bigger problem in churches as a whole, and not particular to youth... for example, I'm a member of some Sunday School classes — for life. It doesn't matter that I changed states. :-)
Your point on the gospel is spot-on. One item that did not make this article, so that it can be done later, is contrasting outreach with discipleship and doing discipleship well. There is a larger training issue in most churches that affects everyone (including youth.)
As the numbers reported by American churches shrinks, the higher percentage we have of regenerate folks within the church. I, too, doubt that the number of converted Christians is actually shinking.
2. Summer events are a different bag than what I was really trying to get on the busyness issue. The list of weekly events in the article was my default schedule during school. Summer is a unique time for youth, and it is very possible for the church to deal with that time well. Encouraging service (to others and in the home), work (for money), having social times, and diving into more intense discipleship all sound great for the summer.
3. You are so right, the church should deal with different levels of spiritual maturity. The problem is when age is assumed to define that maturity. I did not intend to communicate that all people should be taught the same things at all times — because, as you would agree, that's a bad idea. I fully affirm that Christian education (however that's done: Sunday School, small groups, etc) needs to be maturity-segregated, not age-segregated.
4. Lazy "Christian" parents are a significant part of the problem, but I wouldn't put all the blame on them. I didn't get to address this yet, but I think a big factor is that you get these youth, who aren't from Christian families, involved in the ministry through the outreach events. They come for the friends, but they are never exposed to the depths of Christ. They don't know more than "be good and don't drink". I'm not saying outreach is the problem - I'm saying that the problem is that, for a lot of students, youth ministry never gets past nominal Christianity. It's a discipleship problem.
And yes, as I said above, lazy Christian parents who don't disciple their own children / youth are not helping — at all.
I love what you are saying here. Please feel free to share more of your thoughts in the future!
Jeremy,
I appreciate your comments. One thing I want to point out: the statistics that PJ is referencing involve the number of youth who were baptized, and then left the church sometime post-youth group, usually during college.
Now, I recognize that baptism doesn't save anyone, and I don't mean to suggest that just because someone has been baptized then they must have been a believer. But the statistics involve almost only baptistic churches--churches whose theological confession states that the only persons who should be admitted to the waters of baptism are believers in Christ. Now, given such confessions, it is either true that those who fall away were Christians and have "lost their salvation", or, they were never genuinely saved--thus your claim that they were never truly part of the church. But if they were never saved, then why were they baptized?
Just to be clear--I'm with you; I seriously doubt that those who fall away were ever believers. But this only lends support to the idea that youth ministry is broken--DEEPLY. One place to start cleaning things up would be baptism.
It's just too easy to baptize people, then watch them fall away, and say that those people were never saved--placing all the blame on them. Instead, how about the church repents--DEEPLY--for failing to keep its confession by baptizing persons who, as it turns out, weren't really Christians? Wouldn't that be more theologically consistent?
Jeremy, thanks for commenting.
I think PJ and I are wholeheartedly with you on the problem of 50% dropout being primarily an issue of those people never being regenerate in the first place—and I've seen the same issues of people hitting college without an understanding of the gospel. At some level, I think that's the most basic aspect of our concern: how in the world should someone be able to get through a year (much less 4 or 7 years!) of youth group and still not truly understand the gospel? At that level, at the very least, something is wrong. On the same note, I've seen tons of genuine believers who get to college... and have no idea how to read their Bibles, pray, share their faith, etc. I'm glad for campus ministries' work, but incredibly sad that so much of their time has to be spent teaching believers who grew up in the church the basics. That's crazy.
On point 3, I think the problem, from our point of view, is the complete segregation that so often happens. I benefited from dedicated peer time (and, though no longer in a youth group, still do). We need that a lot. But I think we also all agree that onlybeing with our peers is bad for us. We think youth should have time with their own age group... just not exclusively.
On point 4, wow that's a big one, and I couldn't agree with you more. One passion of mine (that we haven't tackled yet, for lack of time) is really orienting children and youth ministry in a family direction. Parents should be the first and primary disciplers of their children. Of course, that means we have to disciple them, and that's something churches haven't necessarily done well at either in our experience.
Do you have thoughts on how to approach some of those issues? We'd love to hear them.
Perhaps I'm jumping the gun, but I'm looking for the application: I haven't seen anybody do a family-based program...I've seen things go that direction, but the only groups I've seen that do family-based ministry are churches like Norm Comm where the core group of the church is the small group/house church. It's an interesting idea, it requires a lot of commitment and vulnerability from the people involved...but having my parents as youth leaders was something that was very cool for me. It breaks the dividing wall between church and home, and that's a very good thing.
A more moderate route may be to split things up. Between your small groups or your Sunday school have one be generation-based and have the other be more broad--either based in topic, location/neighborhood, spiritual maturity or specific giftings (Eph. 4 equipping!) or something.
I think there is a definite need for life-stage based segregation somewhere. We live in specific places, have specific peer groups, and issues that face us. Most of all, there are just some issues and vulnerabilities that won't come out in a large group. For the same reason, we often split guys and girls at youth for discussions. I think it's good to put people in different groups and roles so they can learn to be leaders.
Another "novel" idea that might help solve couple of the issues you and Jeremy and Chris are mentioning is reinstating confirmation alongside baptism. Or if you really wanted to go crazy with it, organize your church along ministry tracks with different stages(equipping again) or some sort of graduated discipleship/authority structure.
Well-organized house church networks just might be a better answer than traditional church programs though. There's no anonymous attending.
Speaking of, James
A second thing I have a burden for...there aren't enough apprentice ministry positions available. My churches generally do a good job opening up the pulpit and worship team to young people who are ready, but if you want to go into missions...or even local mission...the discipleship and stuff seems lacking.
Of course, ideally, all of us would be living as full-time missionaries in whatever vocation we find ourselves, so maybe what I mean is that we should do specific, applied discipleship.
Hey guys -
Sorry for the late reply getting back - as you just mentioned in your last post, school is fixing to start back up so my head is swimming!
PJ - I appreciate the response - both kind and loving and to be honest, I agree - it looks like we are in agreement on the issue at hand I appreciate the clarity you gave to your views and the way in which you did it!
On a random sidenote, to show that I agree with the multigenerational church service - this is exactly why our college group meets during our churches first hour and not our second hour or a more convenient time during the week. By making it 9:30, if you want to be there you gotta want to be there. Is it a great time of peer involvement, diving into topics relevant to that section of life, yep! But - it's not church because it is not multigenerational. I've stuck with 9:30 knowing that I could easily up our numbers by moving it to our second service but then the majority of our students would drop a the "church" service and just do the college group and that is by far NOT what I want...fortunately our elders are concerned about numbers - they just want to see college kids grow - this is so FREEING!
So...long and short - I'm with you on the thought process but I am with Taran in wondering how we do it. I'm like the idea Taran brought up of the hybrid approach between church classes and small groups - what other ways can we help the multi-generational model work?
James, thanks for offering your thoughts (and for identifying yourself). We definitely agree with you about the lack of opportunities for people to step into leadership. That's something the church I grew up in did a great job of, and I appreciate it immensely. I think it is possible to pull off these sorts of relationships and patterns outside house churches (not least because I saw them in the church I went to growing up, and it wasn't a house church, though it was pretty small). Regardless of where you are, it is going to take work, and this is an area that gets harder as the church increases in size.
Jeremy, I didn't realize that's why you've stuck with 9:30, but I really appreciate and respect that. From my own observations, it works at least somewhat (and certainly better than other approaches I have seen). I have seen quite a bit of cross-generational conversation happen between and especially after the services.
Both, it's funny (in a cool way) that you bring up the hybrid approach. It's one I've been advocating for years, and one that PJ and I have talked about quite a bit. Growing up, we had two "youth groups"—one for 7 to 12-year-olds, and one for 12 to 18-year-olds. They met every other week. Occasionally we'd have another activity, but generally, we only met once every two weeks—a radically low amount of time compared to most youth groups I know of and those PJ was involved in growing up.
We didn't have additional specific time with adults, but it was a small church, and in addition to the youth minister, the adults rotated through attending and participating in the conversations with the youth groups, offering their perspective. Between that and simply getting to know each other in the context of "big church," the fairly regular church parties, and simply being involved in each other's lives, we had a lot of cross-generational relationships. Obviously, that's much easier to do in the context of church of 50 than it is in a church of 500, so I think some sort of intentional mixing of the two is very helpful.
One thought PJ and I have batted around is integrating Adult Education times while splitting off for small groups. Another is alternating weeks with peer and vertically integrated small groups. Either of those could make a big difference in this area, and there are probably plenty of others, too. Personally, I think I would lean toward a combination of the two, plus regular fellowship meals where the elders lead (and teach!) everyone to engage outside of their normal peer and even social groups by mingling and provoking conversation and actively creating age-mingled groups. There's a lot of intentionality there, but I think that's a good thing!
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