Friday, August 6, 2010

Youth Ministry: Preparing for Failure?

6 comments:

Chase said...

I think this is a similar problem in children's ministry: we talk to kids as though they are already saved so that we can't accuse ourselves of bullying young minds into "making a decision" for Christ. Instead, we teach them things about God and the behaviors that Christians do to remove some obstacles to their coming into a relationship with Christ. I think this naturally results in legalism. If Christians read their Bibles and don't cuss and i'm a Christian (by virtue of being in church), i guess i should read my Bible and stop cussing. Done! Now i'm going to heaven!
My question is how do we structure our large (outreach) events so that (immature) believers don't tire of coming and being talked to as though they're unsaved?

Taran Wanderer said...

Gar...comment problems...

Is the gap really so soon...or is it more like that the campus ministries inherit like 75% of the youth group kids but those kids then drop out of those by junior and senior year, or even when they leave college.

I think your critique is valid, and that Chase points to a really big problem...church being an innoculation against having a personal relationship with God; but I think the bigger problem is the church...in fact, I'd say many youth groups are based on ideas like discussion, service, and community in ways that Sunday is not, and that's why people leave...because they don't feel wanted, or if they are, they're called to be "greeters" and "nursery workers" rather than prophets and priests.

Honestly, even as someone who has a personal relationship with God, I wouldn't show up on most Sundays if I didn't see it as ministry, because frankly often I could meet with God better alone(not true, except that I'm distracted by the ministry stuff)...or perhaps to put it a better way, since the church isn't structured in such a way that I can engage others, the speaker, or even God for more than a few minutes maximum, I feel like I am meeting with God alone, and even a sustained attempt at doing so will be distracted by the flow of the service onto the next thing.

For discussion's sake, I'll say something that sounds rather emergent: The Evangelical service is basically a watered-down Mass lacking the beauty of the liturgy and also failing to realize the priesthood of all believers, the call of God on EVERY individual, the concept of corporate worship (both in the sense of "we" and in the sense that we are a body, need each other, build each other), and the radical ideas of the early church or even the reformation. At least in class we get to raise our hand...

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Travis said...

Why is it impossible to do outreach and discipleship at the same time? Discipleship isn't true unless it's reproduced. Many youth ministries have "entry-point" events (i.e. Wednesday night youth service) that create an attractive and safe environment that caters to many people. These events don't have to be big and flashy - rather, people want "authentic." A big group can still be an authentic group, especially if the leadership in that group (students especially) are demonstrating Christ-like character. This is what the leadership in the youth group should be concurrently focused on - discipling its student leaders. Being that this is the primary emphasis, it should happen through "shared lives," which, admittedly cannot be accomplished solely through "entry-point" events, are certainly not hindered by such events.

By the way, the teaching at these events does not need to be dumbed-down.

This life-on-life model should ideally be permeated with mentor-discipleship relationships and include co-laboring in outreach (whether off-campus or on-campus at one of these "entry-level" events).
I, for one, have seen glimmers of hope in youth ministry. There is, as you point out, many things to address. Thanks for your thoughts. There are extremely relevant to me right now.
-Travis

Jaimie Krycho said...

Of all the things in this post, the one that strikes a nerve in me is the separation of youth from other age groups in the church. This is something I am facing now. Okay, so I'm not a "youth." However, until this year, I've always been in an age-segregated church group. Chris and I just transferred to a Sunday school group of middle-agers to try to build relationships. I feel kind of shut out by them. I get the impression they don't know how to talk to us. That shouldn't be.

It's so important, though, to have those relationships. As Travis is saying, discipleship is important, but I think one of the best ways to do that is to open the conduit for life-on-life across age groups--I'm talking all the way up to 70, 80...you get the picture. I have grown in so many ways from spending time with older people. The woman who has most influenced my spiritual walk is in her 40s or 50s. The woman who has most supported and encouraged me in marriage is in the same age group. We would do well to establish this fellowship early on. That's probably more "seeker-friendly" than people realize. If I were a seeker and saw that happening, I know I'd want in on it!

PJ King said...

@Chase:
I think you have a very good question. I don't know how to apply this necessarily, but I think my hope would be that we would train and teach the young believers what the difference is and that there is more to be had (in the Christian life) for them. Sadly, I really don't know how to do this for children's ministry.

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@Taran Wanderer:
The 50% stat is the percentage of former youth groupers who, by the time they are out of college, have left the church for good.

You're right - many problems with churches today stem from a lack of relationship among the congregants and from the congregants to the pastors. The youth, particularly, suffer from a lack of inter-generational relationships.

You have good points. I assume you are not the son of Lloyd Alexander, though, and we enjoy a anonymity-free comment policy here (unless you have very good reason-you can email us). If you continue to comment, we would greatly appreciate your name (even just the first).

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@Travis:
I think we're mostly in agreement here. I haven't seen a working model of simultaneous outreach and discipleship, though. I would love to hear about one know of.

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@Jaimie:
Spot on. I'll be dealing with age-segregation more later this week.

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Keep the thoughts rolling

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